Great With Cars, Bad With Design
One of my favorite friends from twitter (and winner of the coveted shorty award for #sports, beating Lance Armstrong no less), girlwithnoname, sent me this one, and she got it from another twitter friend (whom I do not know).
I have a great deal of respect for Ling. She is multi-lingual, obviously a hard worker and based on her case studies and customer letters is very good at what she does. This blog, however, is about bad web design. As such, Ling needs a few pointers.
Firstly, this site is so busy, it’s a wonder people can find what they want. There are moving distractions everywhere, and things that should be billed as important are next to invisible. Some of the images (especially the moving ones) have nothing at all to do with what Ling is selling. For instance, what on earth does horse racing have to do with cars? More to the point, why is it necessary to have a weird looking horse head flashing center screen on a site dedicated to lease and contract hire cars? That’s real estate that would be better served to showcase, um… cars? Move the horse stuff to another site. It could be it’s own blog.
Secondly, the whole site is a giant table that contains several giant tables that contain smaller tables that contain still smaller tables (you get the point). It’s like a Russian table doll at the center of which is flashing lights and a pile of suck. Tables are not OK, and they consume too many precious bits as HTML overhead. Bandwidth, like time, is money. Sucking it up with tables is kind of wrong like Broadway musical adaptations of action movies are wrong.
I think that Ling is shooting for an “over the top” persona, and more power to her for it. I think, however, that she should look into hiring a designer to help get that idea across in a less obnoxious way. In her commercials, which I kind of dig for their unordered and grabastic nature, she says some people love the site and some hate it. I’m in the middle because I can see potential.
It’s a great idea for any designer (hack, budding young or seasoned pro) to follow @mayhemstudios on twitter. Even if you don’t interact, just clicking the links he somehow finds and posts will improve your ability to put a site together. If you actually read the links? Forget about it.
So, Ling… Learn a bit (more) about CSS and how to use it to eliminate tables. Less motion, more typography. Less “horse”. Oh, and less content on one page. Put your “a” material on the front, and move all the rest to someplace else.





















If you could e-mail me with a few suggestions on just how you made your blog look this excellent, I would be grateful.
Aaron Reply:
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I use magic dust…
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ohhh wonderful info
Very Nice website. I just finished mine and i was looking for some ideas and you gave me a few. Did you develop the website alone?
Thanks
Aaron Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
yes
Yeah, but do you know of other people’s turnover too? You can’t just conclude you’re the best. Well, may be to satisfy yourself. We still have car leasing sites with good designs, good search engine rankings and excellent turnover.
Hahahaha, just to say I still get visitors from this blog post! Thanks for all comments.
I am designing a new “quote” form, just for you lot and Aaron the alligator. It is here:
http://www.lingscars.com/quote_new.php not finished yet, needs a bit more colour!
I will add this blog post to my news page!
Aaron the alligator.
Refresh my header. Wait.
Aaron Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
It’s better. I get the point. Still pretty busy. There is a great article about the myth of the fold at http://www.cxpartners.co.uk/thoughts/the_myth_of_the_page_fold_evidence_from_user_testing.htm, which it appears you already knew.
Hahahahaah, now I have you defending your own site.
Got a mention by Seth Godin in a talk he gave in London. Funny… he didn’t mention any designers
No offence.
http://www.lingscars.com/sethgodin.php
You know the realmoney is in marketing and in SEO?
- Ling
Aaron Reply:
February 19th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Defending? Not hardly… Eventually, I’ll review this site as sucking…
Hey Ling,
My handwriting sucks so badly that I doubt anyone would be able to read it. That’s why I type…
Aaron the alligator… I mean forgive me for being picky — but even the “handwritten” post it note in your header is a *FONT*. You fake handwriting????? Why not simply write it?
This is what I mean. Do you see?
The gifs on my active tabs may be slighty off-colour gifs (damn that 256 colour pallette) hahaha, but I wrote them with my mouse, not used “LingHand Bold Sans Serif Condensed” for neatness and consistency.
Tomorrow, I meet Seth Godin. How about that for a name drop
Hmmm, we tried millions of collours (well, five) and these worked OK. I am not going for super-styledom. I don’t want it to be Mac-perfect. There are plenty of sites that offer perfect design but are crap at doing business. I have no qualms about cobbling stuff myself.
I do also need people to remember me, so there needs to be a “wow” or at least “aaaaagh” factor, not just universal acceptance.
I like the tabs not being the same height. Do people care? Do people want them neat and tidy? Who says tabs have to be the same height? You want all cars in a car park to be the same length and colour?
You want them all parked straight? You want them all clean and equally white-balanced? You are making stuff neat that doesn’t need to be neat. We do not live in a neat world, and some of the most interesting stuff is not neat. Like China. Living breathing.
Neat is… like Stepford Wives, and honestly I don’t want to be bored to death. There are zillions of neat sites out there all done by some designer or other.
A site (if alive) should be living, growing, changing, adapting, it is Darwinism. (There is no God, really
When was the last time you fiddled with THIS site? Example, it has all been terribly well and nicely done, but there is some “inertness” about it — that top logo is too perfect. It represents cut-and-paste, handmade, but it is not, it is very professionally done. Like a plastic flower. Wouldn’t a bit of roughness at the edges make it real? Do you want a perfect world???
You should really use glue and scissors, then photograph and there — you have as real as you can get. Not photoshop.
This is a very important point and one that is often missed. Humans do not want perfection, they want… life. Real life.
- Ling
Aaron Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 12:23 am
I agree with you in some respects, and disagree in others. There is nothing wrong with pleasant presentation. Designers are called designers because of what they can do that others cannot. Humans DO want perfection, but very few of them know what it is. Passable is always good enough for most. You can convey the same attitude with the right presentation.
The fact that you are still here talking about it tells me a couple things. One, you really take your work seriously, and two you take mine too seriously
By the way, I don’t use Photoshop. I use the GIMP. The point of the header here is simple. Loud, obnoxious and more or less kitschy. I think it hits all of the above.
OK, Aaron the alligator. I do listen. But — it is most important not to be perfect. Tomorrow, I am working on some bloody tabbed navigation. Here is the original effort from 2 days ago (just the first go, not working), which I (hopefully) will make work tomorrow with context submenus. No designer though. No one else can see this at the mo:
http://www.lingscars.com/header-tabs.php
If you post with important stuff, pls ping me with an email sales@lingscars.com
Aaron Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I like the tabs from a navigation standpoint. I think you should change the colors, maybe a light blue for inactive and a blue with white text for active. I would also make them a fixed height so that they all match. I think you should certainly go with tabbed navigation as a replacement for what you have, though. It’s easier to follow.
Well, I wish it would “go viral”… I didn’t set out to do that. I simply set out to engage with customers as humans. Has anyone actually read and digested the text on most car sites in the UK? It is just SO banal and yuk, it’s like it was cpied from a 1973 management book.
Here’s a website that is just starting (in build) from a guy who asked for advice from me today. http://www.tmbleasing.webeden.co.uk/ — just read that gripping text!!! This is how most car leasing websites read… my comments to the guy are below:
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Ok, well, you will need the website on a full domain not that .webeden domain
I will say some stuff, don’t get offended!
1) It is yet another set of initials, there are dozens of firms called xyz leasing. You expect people to remember your initials. You are not B and Q, or M and S
2) It is about customers, not cars. 95% of car lease websites get this wrong. But, no one listens. Forget the cars, think of the customers.
3) Too wordy too small too boring, not interesting. If this was Top Gear, would you switch the TV off?
4) Most people when surfing want: sex, skive, fun and a massive product offering (not always in that order)
5) you seem (like most websites) to want to maximise coverage by doing everything: PCP, CH, Commercial Leasing, GAP, HGV truck, maintenance, non-maintenance. This is a mistake, customers get confused. I am confused
I do £400k of just contract hire/year, non-maintained. That’s it.
6) You are saying stuff like: you are specialists. Are you? Why say that? I thought you said you were just starting?
7) “We are absolutely committed to customer service ” — you need to prove this, not say it.
Those are my words of wisdom at this stage.
You are in danger of having no differentiation from 50 others I could name, by jumbling A-Z and adding Leasing and being as boring as hell
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You see?
Oh, and next week I am filmin an animated header where I will wave, jump down and run along pointing stuff out. It will win awards. Really. because, noone else does this stuff. Human stuff. Talk soon.
- Ling
Aaron Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Like I said, I know exactly what you’re trying to do, and the “over the top” thing is working. As evidence that it is, you are raking in the quid even as the economy is tanking. Look at it this way. If you change nothing, this article will get you even more traffic. I really enjoy that you are involved in the discussion. Many people reviewed don’t have a sense of humor. I make fun of me every day.
hey, hey!
I am Ling! Now, my site is very special, it is the best site in the UK car industry. Every other site just drone on about …cars. I am about people, not cars. The car replacement cycle is very long and I managed to move over £35 million of new cars in 2008, all from my site. If anyone can do better, please feel free to have a go at selling massive ticket items like new car leases purely from a website. And do while being a female immigrant in an industry full of giants with unlimited spend.
You do not get points for design, but you do get UK pounds for moving cars, so… forgive me if I tell you that you lot are full of hot air with all your knowledge of how to do it better. Get on with it, then, big boyz
Now, there’s a challenge!
- Ling
Aaron Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Ling, I appreciate your comment. Like I said, I respect you for your business. I think you should have a designer point you to a few stylistic changes that would make your site better, friendlier and more usable. Try http://www.mayhemstudios.com. Calvin is a great guy, and will point you in the right direction.
By the way, am I full of hot air about you being a good business person, or about your site needing help?
Nice post…
Ling’s site has made the rounds within in the retail car industry as a nice “what not to do” example for car dealers…
But, its also an iconic, ironic design in that Ling’s customers must all talk about the site…she has set herself apart — so far apart — from the competition that the site itself has gone viral.
Aaron Reply:
February 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 am
To be honest with you, I see what she’s doing. I just wish she’d do a little actual design with it.
It was me!
I was the one that showed it to her. It was actually after seeing your prior post about “it’s full of stars.” I told her I had just recently seen a site that was WAY worse. Glad you enjoyed.
Aaron Reply:
February 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 am
Well, thank you for the suggestion. Feel free to send them directly, and you’ll get the credit.